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bush08
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 Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: Should we get rid of affirmative action |
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Simple poll on if we should remove affirmative action. Should people be treated by the color of their skin?
Liberals like keeping racism front and center and love the idea of people being treated differently according to their race.
The admittance that America has come a long way and that at some point we should at least have the goal of equality has to be one of the largest fears of the democratic party.
But things are much better, and though not perfect in some cases it's created reverse racism. If you're qualified for the schooling or job why should your race matter?
So when you apply for a college that college most likely has no idea of your race nor should they, but liberals want it to be an issue.
I'd hope to see an end to racism, but unfortunately the left will constantly make it an issue even far after racism is a thing of the past. |
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notnmyname
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| You can not deny that Racism is alive in America today. How do you expect those that have been held down for hundreds of years to just pull themselves up by there boot straps as though they had never been oppressed. I am not sure how long the institution should go but maybe when we begin to see an equal amount of African Americans on televion, Congress, and holding CEO positions it would be good. |
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Freedom
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Racism is here to stay. It will never be fully removed and the past cannot be changed. |
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bush08
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Freedom wrote: | | Racism is here to stay. It will never be fully removed and the past cannot be changed. |
I think liberals want it to stay because it's a good issue for them. They want minorities to stay victims and never become equals. What would the bleeding heart liberals do if racism were abolished?
They'd have to spend all their time spitting on troops? Surely it's necessary to keep racism alive for liberals. |
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Freedom
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Whether they want it or not, Racism is here to stay. Abolishing it is not a realistic solution. What needs to be changed is human thought and that is just not possible.
It will always be a problem as long as different races exist. |
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bush08
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Freedom wrote: | Whether they want it or not, Racism is here to stay. Abolishing it is not a realistic solution. What needs to be changed is human thought and that is just not possible.
It will always be a problem as long as different races exist. |
You really believe it will be a problem? I agree it might always exist but as far as problematic in the workplace, in the justice system, etc. it's certainly not even close to 30 or even 15 years ago. |
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anelson162005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: racists |
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I am sick and tired of you racists neo-conservatives calling affirmative action unnecessary. If you acknowledge the fact that racism will forever exits, then that is a means to keep the policy intact. Caucasions have had an advantage for over 300 years, and now it is time for minorities to get what is rightfully owed to them-OPPORTUNITY. Those who usually call for the abolition of affirmative action are those who usually harbor racist and sexist ideas. Conseravtives make me sick. Why are all the things you all say so damn stupid? I agree with bush08, if you can't change human thought, then the affirmative actions policies still will not work. Furthermore, liberals don't like to keep the idea of race in the forefront of society. Liberals are the ones who are pushing the policies of eqaulity. Afterall, the democratic party is the only true and diverse political party in this nation. oh yes, i am going to love this site!!!
yours truly,
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Affirmative Discrimination |
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| Meritocracy is what we should strive for, not affirmative action. Subsidization by race simply extends racism by propping up divisive policies. |
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PEEPERS
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| Well here's a delima for you all...Obama's wife made some comment about "Whities" and since this family is known to be parisheners of that Rev. who hates whites, guess this is a REAL CASE OF RACISM just against us whities eh? Time to stop the blame game people! We all have had relatives from the past that were slaves to someone. If you want us "whities" to start respecting you angry blacks for who you are than guit whining and causing so much racism yourselves. I never knew about racism growing up in the military untill we relocated to TX. from Europe. My parents never spoke ill of anyone or any culture. But when I came here the first thing I learned was that blacks hated me. I'm tired of hearing about it. So shut the hell up and get a life! |
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firefighter 302
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: affirmative action |
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Hiring a person BASED on Race IS racist, by definition.
Dignity and equality is truly achieved by refusing and then eliminating government assistance.
At my firehouse we all know who deserves the job and who doesnt. Affirmative action PROMOTES racism, where I work. And the quality of firefighter confims it. The guys hiding the bushes are the affirmitive action hires, the actual "firefighters" are the guys who aced the hiring tests. Affirmative action hires RETARD our ability for excellence , as a unit.
...And when Obama Hussein loses, it will be Republican recism that did it, guaranteed! (The built-in excuse for failure.) |
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Jonspeaks22
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Hiring a person BASED on Race IS racist, by definition.
TRUE |
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patriciabrom
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| notnmyname wrote: | | You can not deny that Racism is alive in America today. How do you expect those that have been held down for hundreds of years to just pull themselves up by there boot straps as though they had never been oppressed. I am not sure how long the institution should go but maybe when we begin to see an equal amount of African Americans on televion, Congress, and holding CEO positions it would be good. |
Enough is enough. Did anybody happen to catch Maria Sotomayor's opinion on this subject? She just loves affirmative action because it allowed her to receive opportunities even though she wasn't as competent as her white opponents. Her words not mine. Check out her exact quotes here: www.patriciabrom.wordpress.com
How could you sit there and say that it is OK for people to get promotions and enjoy academic opportunities even though they are NOT as competent as their white competitors. If one person performs better THAT person should get the job NOT the black or Hispanic person who couldn't cut it. If affirmative action stopped at assuring that minorities of THE SAME OR GREATER competency level receive their due academic or professional opportunities then I would be all for it too. Unfortunately that's not how it works, it is counter productive and needs to be stopped.
www.patriciabrom.wordpress.com |
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RedHeadWoman2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: Affirmative Action |
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In order to get a better understanding as to why affirmative action is such a bad idea I will relay a real story to you:
My best friend since childhood is latina. She is from Venezuela and is half Dominican. We both were raised in the same neighborhood in Manhattan.
She lives in a basement apartment on a rough street. She went to a public high school that specialized in math and science and graduated with an average in the 80's (by college standards that would be a 3.0). Typically, after school was out, she hung out with friends and then went home. She's a really smart woman but academically she was average. Her parents have always made very little money and they have always worked hard.
When we applied for colleges she applied for a very prestigious Ivy league school on a fluke. She never thought that she could get in nor did she want to go there. Imagine her suprise when the school accepted her! My friend had no idea how she would afford it but they offered to shrink her tuition from 40 grand a year to 30 dollars for the first semester and 7 grand for the second. Well of course she went! That summer we said our teary-eyed "goodbye's" and I went off to my school for the semester.
Fast forward a year later.
My best friend left the prestigious school that welcomed her in so readily. Why? There were a host of problems.
First of all, she was not mentally or academically at the level of the rest of the students. They had all been valedvictorians of their high schools and had done a lot of after school activities in order to get into that university. So she was socially outcasted because of that. Second of all, the classes were far too difficult for her to get through. The material was too dense. She couldn't do it. She also was one of the only minorities on campus when she was so used to being in a diverse place like NYC. There was no culture to connect to on campus. There was nobody that understood her. She had no friends and felt very alone. When she tried to go to the "Latina/Latino Club" she felt that it was ridiculous: just because they were Latina or Latino did not mean that she got along with them or that they understood one another on any level.
She really hated her experience there. I remember her talking about how life was "pointless" at that time. She was really alone. It was a dark time.
Years later we both are graduates of the local university in Harlem. She left the ivy league college after 2 semesters and never looked back. She is very successful and is well on her way to becoming a doctor of psychology. I'm really proud of her.
But yea... so there is my ancedote and why I don't believe in affirmative action. |
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President Johnson once said "
"Men and women of all races are born with the same range of abilities. But ability is not just the product of birth. Ability is stretched or stunted by the family that you live with, and the neighborhood you live in--by the school you go to and the poverty or the richness of your surroundings. It is the product of a hundred unseen forces playing upon the little infant, the child, and finally the man".
Affirmative action has improved discrimination, but has not stopped it. In society, people segregate themselves demographically for comfort. When people do not feel comfort outside their own race, then there is some type of heart felt discrimination. Large cities usually have large businesses. Large businesses of more than 25 employees are required (by federal law) to have affirmative action implemented. Even though a very large business has a wide range of diversity, it does not mean that discrimination is not felt. When leaving their diversified business, most return home where they can take comfort in their surroundings. Look at your own neiborhood for diversity. In most cases you live in an area that is prodominatly your own race. As long as there is discomfort among races there will be discrimination. As long as there is discrimination, affirmative action will be needed. Affirmative action should be mandatory in every business.
Think of all the business with less than 25 employee's, all the small businesses in your local community. When a person from a different race comes to live in your community it is because of a job opportunity, not because they want to get to know your culture. Diversity in our life and our neighborhoods have to change before affirmative action is no longer needed. Increase diversity and stamp out descrimination by becoming a friendly neighbor.
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