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Iraqi War -GET OUT NOW
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hillary08
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 Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Iraqi War -GET OUT NOW |
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Neo_cons are pathetic especially the one that came up with this site, it just goes to show that when conservatives don't agree on something they must resort to name calling.
In regards to the Irag war we should leave now. Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Distruction, lied about an imminent threat by Saddam and it is the US and the Bush administration that is the real terrorists. If Al Gore or John Kerry had won the office, as we all know they really did, we would not be in the place we are now.  |
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bush08
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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No eh?
Well here's Kerry on the war
| Quote: | "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
and the other nimrod whom thank god isn't President
| Quote: | "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 |
If Bush lied then that means John Kerry and Gore both lied too. |
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notnmyname
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you both are terrible. We should not be bickering here when hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis are dying in the street. This war was a mistake and we must leave before we make the region any worse. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| notnmyname wrote: | | I think you both are terrible. We should not be bickering here when hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis are dying in the street. This war was a mistake and we must leave before we make the region any worse. |
Hundreds of thousands? That's a mighty big street. Odd that there were mass graves there before we invaded since it was all fun and games apparently with the beloved Saddam Hussein at the helm. |
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Gun Freak
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi War -GET OUT NOW |
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"Neo_cons are pathetic especially the one that came up with this site"
Then why did you post here?
, "it just goes to show that when conservatives don't agree on something they must resort to name calling."
Where? When?
"In regards to the Irag war we should leave now. Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Distruction"
No he didn't, he was given the wrong information
and wether there were WMD's or not it was all about
the war on Terror.
Don't you think after 9/11 happened, maybe we should try some Democratic influence?
, "lied about an imminent threat by Saddam and it is the US and the Bush administration that is the real terrorists."
Al Qaeda LOVES you. You must have learned this in their training camp.
"If Al Gore or John Kerry had won the office, as we all know they really did, we would not be in the place we are now."
Boy there's some real winners...lol. |
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bush08
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi War -GET OUT NOW |
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| Quote: | | Al Qaeda LOVES you. You must have learned this in their training camp. |
LMAO. What's great is really if a liberal nut would be honest ( if that's possible ) they would have to admit that if Al Quaeda had a vote they would vote for the democrates. |
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Gun Frak
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Iraqi War -GET OUT NOW |
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| bush08 wrote: | | Quote: | | Al Qaeda LOVES you. You must have learned this in their training camp. |
LMAO. What's great is really if a liberal nut would be honest ( if that's possible ) they would have to admit that if Al Quaeda had a vote they would vote for the democrates. |
Well of course..
But what really is amazing to me these days is that most Democrats are becoming experts in Liberal Propaganda!
They all accuse the Administration of the same nieve garbage.  |
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Tree hugger
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Distruction |
Technically one could contend that Bush did not lie about Iraq, but the information he did have was very sparse and questionable. Aluminum tubes that were claimed to be for centrifuges was a highly questioned assumption by experts. Shipments of ore from Nigeria were disclosed by the Brits, but experts in the CIA said that info was faked. The al-Qaida connection? Just one rumored visit from some Iraqi minister at an airport. Bush plowed ahead with the war knowing his information was questionable. Whether he explicitly lied or not is a matter of opinion.
However the main source of an extensive amount of information for weapons of mass destruction came from Iraqi expatriates associated with Chalibi. They orchestrated a farce with a extensive details on precisely where WMD's were supposedly hidden. This may have been the "slam dunk".
In short, the Bush administration was duped into going to war by expatriates that wanted to take power. It wasn't totally Bush's war like many believe. It was Chalibi's war too. Both sides blew it. Bush created a quagmire, and Chalibi was discredited.
Should we get out now? At this point it seems to depend more on a gut feel of the repercussions rather than expert(?) spam. |
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bush08
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Tree hugger wrote: | | Quote: | | Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Distruction |
Technically one could contend that Bush did not lie about Iraq, but the information he did have was very sparse and questionable. |
One could contend? Pleeeease... Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Putin, everyone and their dog said the same thing on the same EXACT evidence. The Brits still back their intel.
And after the whole Valerie Plame deal ( poor victim now with a multi million dollar book deal ) it turns out that it's TRUE Saddam WAS looking for Yellowcake Uranium from Nigeria.
Why it's even a debate is soley because there is a Republican in the White House. If Clinton were in, or Gore for that matter we'd be in Iraq, but they'd have a free pass.
As far as getting out Millions would be slaughtered. Like Vietnam which the hippies don't like to talk about the commies killed over 3 million (UN estimates) when we left.
So as this disaster, and it really is a disaster of an occupation continues, we either leave Iraqis to a slaughter (liberal victory) and are forced back in a few years or we stay and get this thing done. |
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I standby my statement that the promoted reasons for invading Iraq were very sparse and questionable.
I standby my statement that the Bush administration was duped by Chalibi and his men.
| Quote: | | So as this disaster, and it really is a disaster of an occupation continues, we either leave Iraqis to a slaughter (liberal victory) and are forced back in a few years or we stay and get this thing done. |
Exactly what do you mean by "stay and get this thing done"?
What do you mean by stay? Three more years? As long as it takes? There will be 2340 American deaths if the current death rate is sustained over three years. How many American deaths do you think is acceptable?
What is "this thing"? Killing as many insurgents as we can? Disarming all the militia? Resolving the hatred between Suni and Shia? Train the Iraq army and remove the influence of militia? All the above? What do you think is possible for the US to accomplish by military action? Do you think diplomacy is not possible?
What do you mean by "done"? That is, what is the "exit strategy"? When the Suni/Shia kidnappings and killings drop to 100 a week? 25? 10? When Kurds, Suni's and Shites are in harmony? What rate of car bombings is acceptable to you?
Even Bush is drawing back from "Stay the Course". |
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bush08
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Well look I'm not suggesting to "stay the course", that would just be absurd. Rumsfeld executed the overthrow of Saddam Brilliantly, but needed to be thrown out a while back due to incompetence and probably more of blind stuborness than anything else.
When I mentioned "stay the course" I mean stay in Iraq and fix it. The absolute idiocy of pulling out is mindblowing. It truly is and is amazing that one would basically act as if they cared for the Iraqis or our troops for that matter;
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What do you mean by "done"? That is, what is the "exit strategy"? When the Suni/Shia kidnappings and killings drop to 100 a week? 25? 10? When Kurds, Suni's and Shites are in harmony? What rate of car bombings is acceptable to you?
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Now you care sooooo much for the deaths incurred you want to remove any and all protection from the Iraqis. Amazing.
3 MILLION DEAD VIETNAMESE DUE TO US WITHDRAWAL
Any lessons in history here? You condemn violence, but the absolute slaughter of millions of them is OK, it's just these bombings on your television that is so horrific.
More people died (FAR MORE) from withdrawal from Vietnam than ever was incurred during the actual war and the same thing will happen in Iraq.
Iraq is a mess, it needs to be stabalized and not with another Saddam.
So yes, whatever it takes. It's going to cost far less lives than leaving. Just is. |
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You are doing what many extremists do, both liberal and conservative: Erroneously assuming what a person is thinking, and then arguing your assumption.
| Quote: | | Now you care sooooo much for the deaths incurred you want to remove any and all protection from the Iraqis. Amazing. |
At no point was I saying that I wanted to remove protection from Iraqis. I was simply asking you a question on exit strategy. The reason we are still there is because of deadly religious insurrection. To clarify my question, what is the criteria for the end of the battle with militants so the US can go home? When there is no more insurrection, then we might assume Iraq is stable, and the various ethnic groups are reasonably satisfied. I was asking for your definition of "no more insurrection"? The administration has not defined an exit strategy yet either.
| Quote: | | Any lessons in history here? You condemn violence, but the absolute slaughter of millions of them is OK, it's just these bombing on your television that is so horrific. |
Are you talking to me? At no point did I condemn violence in my above posts.
Yes, if the US pulls out now, the problem is not just millions being slaughtered. The worst case, but probable, scenario by Mideast experts is that Iraq will escalate to a full fledged civil war. The Turks will invade the Kurdish area; the Kurds will have nowhere to flee. Iran will more aggressively support the Shias. Saudis will support the Sunnis. Even if most areas stabilize after several years, with perhaps new borders being defined, the Sunnis will be left with none of the oil rich territories. They will continue with an even more violent insurgency with weapons supplied by the Saudis. Meanwhile there is a massive problem with the Hamas in Palestine and Hezbollah in Lebanon and upheavals in other areas - Chechnya, etc.
In short, there will be a total crisis in the Middle East.
All because Bush listened to the wrong people. Damn him. They did not learn the lessons of history on how to fight insurrections. After the Vietnam war, there was strong list of do's and don'ts. They followed none of them.
| Quote: | | So yes, whatever it takes. It's going to cost far less lives by leaving. Just is. |
At this point the Bush administration simply does not know what "whatever it takes" means. Neither do you nor liberals. We expend lives securing a city, leave it, and then it falls back to the insurgents. What a waste. It's a viscous circle that doesn't end.
Now we are in a dilemma. There is no good solution. The military solution is not working. Violence and death are increasing and stability is decreasing. Stay the course means pursue a course that is not working. Meanwhile we are draining several billion a month. The US is going bankrupt and getting nothing in return. |
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Freedom
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Um.. i havent been keeping a close eye on Iraq and the war on terror. Here are my opinions. Im not sure about the facts but here's what i think.
Ok. firstly. Wasnt the original war on terror with Afganistan? With Osama being the target. I understand that 9-11 was his doing. but what did Iraq do?
Afganistan: Bombed, plenty of "collateral", no Osama found. lots of $ spent on the bombs. Dont find a good supply of oil.
so what do you do. Make up some weapons, create some photoshopped images. make a big fuss so people dont notice that no connection exists between Iraq and Afganistan.
Then you go and invade another innocent country.
Iraq: Huge armies. Ratio of deaths similar to that of Vietnam. Advanced weapons against primitive ones. But the most cunning. Order the soldiers to destroy as much property as possible on the way so that Bush can execute the stuff for oil policy. Brush off as much slak as possible and continue to sacrifice innocent lives for oil. because oil = money and money = power.
Btw. I thought invading another country and executing a regime change was illegal by international laws. But of course, since US is a permanent member of the UN council, Bush can veto any allegations against him.
I would like to finish with one statement.
Who made the USA world police? |
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bush08
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Wow what leftist dribble.
Innocent country?
1)Shot at US soldiers DAILY!
2)Attempted an assassination of a former US president.
3) Invaded IRAN
4) Invaded Kuwait
4) Invaded Saudi Arabia
5) Killed over 300,000 civilians by UN estimates.
Oh...yeah, US=BAD everyone else gets a free pass. |
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Freedom
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Im sorry i dont quite understand.
Shot at US soldiers "DAILY" because they were in their country, killing their people. Would you shoot at Iraqi soldiers if they sent more than a million of them to the US? Thats the number thats already been deployed. About 1 third of the Vietnam number.
Attempted to assasinate George Bush Snr, the president that led Desert Storm, in Kuwait. Of course, he just happened to get his hands on some oil while he was there even though he said it wasn't a war for oil.
Killed 300,000 Civilians. Okay. But Iraq war has resulted in more than 655, 000 civilian deaths. In just a three and a half year period.
Invasion of Iran, was due to a long history of border disputes and Iran trying to overthrow Saddam. Plus, in that war the US approved of about $200 million worth of arms trade to Iraq.
Iraq never actually invaded Saudi Arabia.
Btw. Here is a list of countries that WERE invaded by the US. (in approximate order going back in time)
Iraq,
Afganistan,
Haiti,
Kuwait,
Panama,
Grenada,
Dominican republic,
Vietnam
Cambodia
North Korea x 2,
haiti (again),
Phillipine,
Puerto Rico,
Spanish Cuba,
Hawaii,
Korea (when they were one),
and Canada x 2.
That list does not include the world wars of course. Because it wouldnt be fair as everyone was invading everyone.
Im not saying that US is soo... bad. Just that most of the actions contradict what is said. Of course that is to be expected. But this Iraq war was a mistake and was executed BEFORE Congress gave approval.
Also, not everyone gets a free pass. Its just that, the US has elected itself to be world police. But it seems we have become the worlds most formidable terrorist. One that commits acts of terror in the name of justice.
Btw. you accuse me of being leftist. But your views show a "rightist" opinion. and on the right of the political spectrum lies Fascism, we all remember Mussolini and the Nazis dont we? |
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